It reads as follows:
JD: hey girl, how are you
PC: ohhh pretty good I guess, how are you, do you like the new jail here?
JD: its ok I guess, I have been told to avoid taco tuesdays though
JD: so how was the public outcry on my biggest enemies ruling me guilty?
PC: well David Webb ran a pretty good story, but the daily light and ennis paper were pretty rough on you and they ran all those hate filled speeches by patrick.
JD: how about on fb, is connie and dad and company rallying the call to my cause?
PC: well not really, connie forgot who you were again and your dad was showing some pics of a wheelie he popped the other day, he was really getting into it and......
JD: thats enough, it was bad enough I had to listen to that crap all my life, at least I can be free from it in jail
JD: what about any other of my friends, how about Angeline or Kimberly?
PC: well Angeline had to go back on her respirator, her doc told her either stop smoking or we are going to have to put you in intensive care, well thats where she is now. And poor Kimberly, her cats turned on her and viciously attacked and maimed her. She is in the hospital with 3rd degree scratches.
JD: cats can do that much damage?
PC: I guess so, anyway the doc says she is going to be down for at least a week. Those bastards even though cat litter in her face while she was on the ground.
JD: you look kinda pregnant, did my boys finally swim?
PC: I checked yesterday and its negative, but thanks for noticing
JD: so how are we going to raise the $10,000 I need to get out of here.
PC: I'm not sure, Brannon said he was ready with his morphsuit whenever you needed him, but I just dont know what to do. I usually just went to me sperm donor for money issues but I kinda burned that bridge, so I'm out of ideas.
JD: how are my dogs doing?
PC: remember I told you not to leave them with your parents didn't I?
JD: what, no, dont tell me...
PC: well they spent a lot of time with your dad out in the garage listening to him talk and one day they just decided to go run down the street and bite a police officer. Animal control had to put them down.
JD: this is all patrick wilson's fault
PC: that pedo-nazi. You known what does that term really mean, those pedophile defenders at joeyisalittlekid were making fun of me for not knowing what I was saying, so what does that mean? You know I was home-schooled.
JD: how should I know, I was home-schooled too.
PC: so how are you going to get out of here so we can start a family?
JD: I thought you were going to ask connie what do to
PC: I did, she said she was sending lightning bolts our way, but I just checked the 5 day forcast and I just dont see it
JD: Yeah I'm starting to get off this Yeahway stuff. Some of the guys in here were telling me its like Mormonism, its just some guy that decided to put Christianity and Judaism together and call it his own made up religion.
PC: I hear ya, if I don't see some lightning bolts pretty soon I'm going back to Mother Mary.
PC: well baby I gotta go, days of our lives is coming in in 5 minuets and I forgot to record it
This is so gay..... ;)
ReplyDeleteI cant control the laughter!
ReplyDeleteI hope Joey has a green thumb. I see the nExt 20 years on the hoe squad. He will be Master Gardener before this is over with.
ReplyDeleteWill be the first time he has ever done labor or real work!
ReplyDeleteAnother exclusive. This is only a teaser though:
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I guess since it embeds, I should tell you about it. I'm working on a yap video with rappy, err . . .rap vid with yappy. This is just the talent getting together for a screen test, lighting and sound test. Just ad lib silliness.
ReplyDeleteWell if there are witnesses that he was alone in a boat, and alone in the bathroom with the kid....
ReplyDeleteSexual talk between the two via email/pm's
AND if the kid (now adult) is coming forward with these charges.....
If the kid today has detailed memories of the encounters....
I would understand why there are 4 different charges if its 4 different times.
For instance, in the morning - boat. Afternoon Bathroom. Tent at night.... 1 to grow on.
I thought they were charging him with 4 things just from romps from 1 act. Like they did oral and moved to sodomy. Puke.
WOW. I don't think the 5 years of probation is Joey's problem at all.
Today his real problem is a previous felony conviction now and these charges.... IF he is found guilty, I say MINIMUM 10 years. If all 4 counts, 20-30 years.
Isn't the prosecutor seeking life if it goes to trial?
oh yeah, I like teasers
ReplyDeleteand I really like corroborations
ReplyDeleteRight, now you are starting to see the picture. I mean it may be a case of terrible timing along with a kid that just wanted to accuse him of it, its possible, I mean they have no smoking gun like DNA or another eye witness to the act. But to a jury, its going to look very likely that the event occured. So much so that I think Joey is going to have to show something more than just him saying it didn't happen.
ReplyDeleteAnd Joey is his own defense. He has got to take the stand and tell his story, the problem with that is going to be the intense cross examination from the DA on why he was alone with this boy and why he was texting him after the event. I think Joey will fold under the pressure.
ReplyDeletewait check that, it may be a case of terrible timing mixed with incredibly bad judgement afterwards. Because we have two things, we have the event and then Joey's texts afterwards. Joey initiated those texts and I think they are going to clearly show he was worried about the boy saying something about what happened.
ReplyDeleteNow, let me play the joey's advocate here....its possible that while they were out there the boy initiated it, or they talked about it, or maybe they touched each other and the boy made up all the rest. Joey then, fearing that the boy would do exactly what he has done, texted him to guage exactly what it was the boy would say happened. All of these moves are beyond stupid, but, with Joey I can see it happening.
So lets say my version is correct. He's screwed, even if he didn't actually do the act that is going to cost him his life. Thats why I say its more important at this point what he can show in court than what might have actually occured out there at the church camp. He has got to counteract the narrative that is going to be established.
things that make you go hmm
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Homeland Sercurity needs to keep an eye on Larah Thompson, that girl is a mass shooting waiting to happen.
ReplyDeleteJoey's in deep doo doo.
ReplyDeleteHe folds, he goes. He's gotta understand that he is literally on the trial of his life. If his parent's ever want to see their son again (outside of bars) they better start hiring a good lawyer. This could seriously get him 20-30 years.
4 SECOND DEGREE FELONIES on a CONVICTED FELON. Technically, that could get him 80 years. I honestly don't know (judging by their Facebook posts) if they even realize the magnitude of this stuff.
I don't think he deserves 80 years however, not even 10 IF he did it....
I really don't know what he deserves if he did it..... I just don't see him as a "10 year" type of a danger.
Since he is banned from the internet etc., perhaps that will force some mature decisions to come forth. The time served may help him realize the errors he had made.
I'm one who believes in "corrections" not "justice". If what he already has been punished with completely changes his ways, I would be happy for him. If he marries Presley and they have children, a home, and grow old together, that would be a wonderful outcome.
If he did do that with the 15 year old at 26, I guess its up to the court/jury.
you know the thing I have learned the most from this Joey deal, is just how many certifiably insane people there are out there ruining other's lives on a daily basis. The advent of the internet and facebook has given these looney toons a chance to unite and feed of each other.
ReplyDeleteNow you are getting it. Yes we have been saying on here over and over that the Navarro case is the big dog, thats where his life is on trial. And one of the reasons we keep going after Daddy Dauben is that he seems to be happy following road side circus like Windsor and when he does talk about Joey's case he goes into the the conspiracy crap. He should be spending every waking hour trying to research and find out ways to build a credibile defense that will hold up in court. He should be working with Joey's defender and doing any, and everything he can to assist the defense if he really does love his son.
ReplyDeletehehehe HAHA hohohoho I am so humbled by the tribute
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5_Fyid_JM
That Dog is Loco si si senor, loco yappy mucho loco
EXACTLY
ReplyDeleteRead David ^^^ Stop the crap and actually DO something for your kid before its too late. You have 2 months.
Jimmy, they DON'T get the magnitude and I really think Joey doesn't either. The very first thing David did when Joey's bail was revoked was NOT to decide to go see his son the following Saturday or the next OR the next. HE decided it was best to sand down and paint on a useless lawless logo because his 'savior' was coming in a month to Dallas. Somehow in David's head, he must think billy is going to save his kid.
ReplyDeleteI swear, the LOOK on Davids photo with Billy and the newly painted wheelie was like a 80 yr old faithful Catholic that got to meet the pope. He was 'giddy' and not once in my life have I ever labeled a 50+ yr old man 'giddy' ever.
Others cry and whine about Joey NOT getting bail for 2 months after his Dec. 2011 arrest. And I'm sick of their conspiracy excuse. There was no excuse. A scam woman named Barbara Farris from Florida who is actually HOMELESS convinced David and Joey that she was not only going to post $25,000 for a lawyer she was also going to get him released from jail. There's a livelink recording of Farris yapping to David telling him NOT to get Joey a public defender and he was like 'yah yah umhuh yup ok, whatever you say Goddess Farris, whatever you say. I've never met ya but I'm sure everything you tell me is true. yup yup huhuuhhuh" hanging on her every bullshit word. Then late January 2012 she disappeared claiming she had cancer AND her mother died. Neither were true and her 'groupies' ripped her apart to shreds. The same will happen to Billy but it probably won't until this time next year because his claims of the 'movie' is to be released sometime in 2013.
David finds freaks online, people he's never met and blindly believes their word because they speak his conspriacy language.
Daubens need to sit down and face eachother and TALK!!! What I'd do with my spouse. Gee, hon, WHAT IF our son is guilty? What are the best things we could do for him? How can we figure this out, support him, get him help as well?
Then on Joey's 1st WORST day of his new life being convicted and sentenced, daddy goes home and logs onto FB to view poppa wheelie pics, clicking the 'share' button. His mindset blows my mind. I've lost braincells following this baloney. The only thing I'm shocked about is that it took 31 years for Joey to get to jail.
Everything is a conspiracy. Everyone is out to get his little baby because his baby is 'so' powerful. I truly believe David WANTS his son to go away but the saddest thing is, I BELIEVE he wanted that when Joey was a very very young child. Joey has some serious abandonment and narcissistic issues.
I think Joey needs to go away for a good 10 years but that's my own reasons and if he's guilty of raping a child (yes in my books and the state of Texas law books... a 15 yr old IS a child), he deserves hard time. I don't care how emotionally old he was, he is an adult regardless so the rest are poor Joey excuses. He knows exactly what he's done, he plays the innocent poor me card very well but Joey knows how manipulative he is. I'm betting everything in me David will not do anything different from now until January. I'm betting even more with Presley's fictional 'mystical' (good one Ginger)...I'mma get my money from the Yahweh tree , they'd rather get Joey out on bond again because he's pouting up another sob story INSTEAD of raising money for a good attorney. Joey didn't learn the 1st time on his bond restrictions, how do the Daubens think they can waste $10Grand? Why? So he's out of jail for 2 or 3 weeks before he breaks his restrictions again? They enable that little flipping creature like he's 5 years old. They all get what they deserve.
Lawless page is interesting. Lots to read. He is slamming the WTP group left & right. Now this:
ReplyDeleteLawless America I don’t like the idea of letting this L. Wilson group get away with hijacking our event. It seems the WTP L. Wilson event regularly pulls only 20 people are so, as I am told…but they will have a lot more if they get away with confusing our folks. I have had hundreds tell me they will attend our event, but only 50 or so have sent me an RSVP email in the last 72 hours. Sadly, 500 or so had RSVP’d on the webpage that was hijacked by L. Wilson’s WTP FRP bandit organization. I suspect we will reach most of those guys though there remains a lot of confusion.
Let me explain the choice of the January 9, 2013 date. That date was chosen as the first week of the 113th Congress and because the Meet Me in DC event is an important part of the movie, so we needed the filming to be done well in advance of editing.
What’s changed is that we went from 750 people to over 2,000 people to be filmed; the road trip added 60 days and many cities; the anticipated RV and volunteers to travel with me and work along the way did not materialize; and a June 2013 premiere is now totally impossible as a result. Best case, we could have the movie ready by October. BUT, independent filmmakers like to premiere at the Sundance Film Festival (January 16, 2014). Rather than premiere in the last quarter of 2013, we will be much better off to premiere in January at Sundance. Among other things, it gives us a better shot at Academy Award consideration. So, we could delay Meet Me in DC anywhere from a few days to as late as July 2013.
Ha. I love how this saws www dot uglyjudge dot com in the corner below her photo.
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Yes, I understand what the site is about. Still funny.
Are you sure this isn't Billy posting with his new girlfriend? His 'odd' never changing smile creeps me out. Its like those Sunday christian evangelists on TV. They pray, they cry, they talk bible and they have a perma-grin on their face that never leaves no matter the subject.
ReplyDeleteWhat a creepy looking judge. ??? BIlly is such a flake.
Yeah. He looks exactly the same in every photo.
ReplyDeleteI saw where he posted a photo of him in a cowboy hat and bandana from 1980. He said something about being on a news report for being mayor of a town of 1. Then he goes on to say, I never thought of myself as a handsome man, but I think I look pretty good here. Really? He is praised all day long by the loonie bin, yet he still has to fish for compliments?
Sorry to do this here Ginger, but since I know Curtis reads over here and my comment won't ever appear on his page, I will answer this stupid ass here:
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November 15, 2012 at 8:58 am
And they are back down again. I wonder if facebook removed them or if the admin pulled them because he knew John Ralston and myself would be all over it."
(also his comment was on The Venus Voice blog post What would you know)
Curtis, they were down because I wanted to deactivate my account, and so POOF there gone
FB, can care less bout what I do, and LMAO, me caring about your stupid asses, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, now that is funny shit
mayor of a town of 1.
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i repeat....
mayor of a town of 1
Oreader, do you think we should consider a serious application for a 51/50 psychiatric hold for Billy.... for his own good? Really......the only time I'd feel perfectly safe is if Brannon boasted about his new mayor role in a town of 1. Hail King Brannon, he'll do just fine. But billy? There's trouble in dem Georgia hills I tell ya
Curtis is one of Joey's former side clowns that enter in unexpected, gets stuck in a barrel and at the end of the circus, he's still stuck and the other clowns long forgot about him.
ReplyDeleteIt is funny shit Brannon. Who gives a rats ass if you close your page now and then. I felt sorry for Curtis at first........... not anymore. that guy as issues beyond his next 35 lives. Shut down LMAO shut down. OMG go get mental help Curtis, please?! Your multiple personality syndrome isn't aware how much they're frucking up your life.
I can't stand Joey but looking into Ralston and such, that guy is a few levels below intelligence of the alligators in the bayou behind my house. But somehow Ralston got Brannon shut down.
Thanks for posting Brannon, this is a riot! :D
also here is a petition I just created I'm spreading on Facebook, on the whitehouse petition site, I have to get 150 signatures, before it will be shown on the We The People part:
ReplyDeletehttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-me-change-my-name-lordbrannon-bridge-instead-having-pay-300-add-lord/l83v59tz
"Chief Activist", I have never heard anyone make up that name to call themselves. How active can he be at that weight?
ReplyDeletewhat page did he do this in? I only know of the balch springs beacon
ReplyDeletelol. I think his wife should be held on a 51/50. Clearly she's the most insane.
ReplyDeleteOh poor Billy. More probs this morning:
ReplyDeleteI have now confirmed that Diane Gochin, working with L. Wilson and WTP FPR, has misappropriated the CONFIDENTIAL database of everyone who has contacted me to be filmed for the movie. OUR highly confidential database has been used to email these friends of OURS to try to divert them to the WTP event that has been scheduled for the same date and time as our Meet Me in DC event.
Diane was allegedly a volunteer helping coordinate other volunteers for Lawless America, yet she apparently never got people who expressed interest to do any volunteer work. Then she posted rude messages or sent rude emails that caused long-time volunteers to quit.
My most sincere apologies to everyone who has asked to be filmed for the movie. Your name, address, phone, email, and other information is now in the hands of these people.
http://thevenusvoice.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/what-would-ya-know-curtis-butler/
ReplyDeleteAs you can imagine there is a lot of talk in the comments about class action lawsuits against this women, sending her emails, putting out info on her . . etc. Several people are saying now they know why Billy never responds to their email. He actually come on and says he hasn't responded because he has so many. Though he does also make reference to some ATT email account that ATT told him that powers higher than him are blocking emails. Still I'm surprised that he doesn't just let them slam this woman for the emails too. Oh wait, they don't care that Billy says the unreturned emails aren't because of this woman, they still keep at it. Billy must be so proud of this little movement. Soon it will be a full on mob.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite? Comments by this woman go unanswered:
Barbara Hallett-Montrond This is more than unbelievable....i really question it
Barbara Hallett-Montrond Who paid who to put the spin on all of this?
He is trying to figure out how he can get out of this huge lie he has got going while still holding on to his army of fools in the process
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly how I read it too. And, I think the majority of them might be blind enough . . . if not, he'll probably just find a new group of idiots.
ReplyDeleteI really want them to actually do the DC thing. It would never be anything more than disorganized chaos, but I'd love to see how many people Billy could get out there. I'd guess less than 20 that were more than a 3 hour drive.
Ginger, he's VERY VERY VERY active at eating entire pies at once!!!
ReplyDeleteScroll down to Billy n his wife Barbara's RULE #2 reason for 'touring the USA' back 5 years ago in 'Round America' aka round 1 in how to scam the public into paying for our free trips and vacation.
http://blog.roundamerica.com/
AN ENTIRE PIE takes a lot of ability to eat it. I tried once, couldn't finish 2 slices. Let's give the guy some credit.
Cont'd from my post above per: Billy's pie/ blog link. Quoting bill:
ReplyDelete"We ate 181 pieces of pie in 149 days. The original idea behind the pie was not to eat pie jut to be eating pie, but because every small town has a cafe where the locals eat, and the good ones always have great pie. So mentioning pie was just a way of emphasizing the focus of the trip as a two-laned roadtrip experience, a slower kinder gentler trip. Just as you don't see much on an interstate, you don't see anything new or experience anything special eating at franchised restaurants of any type"
Pie eating Billy THINKS so highly of himself to think he can now meet with the congress and become some renowned honored documentarian (AGAIN we have someone WITHOUT any educational background or ability to do so). Pies David... pies. That was Billy's biggest focus in life a mere 4 to 5 years ago. PIES. To think this guy will pull off anything but being tossed out the entrance of Congress immediately in January..... what fools. Really, these people get what they deserve to follow such idiots like Billy the Pie man. Oye
Where is the army?
ReplyDeletethe army is in theory. He thinks that all his facebook followers brought to him by his 2,000 or so interviews will equal an army
ReplyDeleteBilly, I thought I kept reading from your minions months ago how YOU were the millionaire rich dude bank-rolling your scheme? Hmm thought so.
ReplyDeleteIt's kinda AMAZING how BIlly has articles ALL OVER lawless.com. As if by magic Billy owns lawless.com yet awakens to find articles all over it without any explanation to how they got there? Good Lord, this dude needs to go back to square one. I mean pie one.
But keep on polishing that Wheelie David, I'm sure Billy, the lone wolf is so very legit ;) ;) ;)
Lawless America Karen, Facebook is not a good means of communicating information because I have posted literally dozens of times, have recorded videos, have spoken on my weekly TalkShoe shows, and have in articles that appear all over www.LawlessAmerica.com that I have not had the time for months to respond to any emails, and I do not deal with either Facebook messages or texts. In addition, I have posted daily for many months that anyone and everyone who wants to be filmed will be filmed through the magic of the Internet. Lawless America has no staff. Zero. It's just me out here alone on the road for 156 days filming an average of 12 hours each and every day.
4 hours ago · 2
Crystle Morris Thanks Bill.
4 hours ago via mobile · 1
Karen Jutkiewicz I'm sorry Bill BUT I have sent 3 different e-mails to you and have heard NOTHING back so I am confused I would hate to go through all the exspense and all to find out I am NOT Reg fo the event
3 hours ago · 1
Allie Overstreet Time to hire real volunteers? With interviews and background checks? A real job minus the pay? With contracts and disclaimers and signatures?
3 hours ago via mobile · 1
Lawless America What we need is for some rich person to bankroll The Revolutionary Party. They are out there; we just haven't reached them YET.
3 hours ago
I hope that the statement "David Webb ran a pretty good story" is meant to imply that I as a professional journalist wrote an unbiased story about a legal development. I make no secret of the fact that I am gay, and it is well known that I write often about LGBT issues. I have seen my name mentioned on this site and others about my interest in Joey Dauben's case. For the record, I am interested in and write about many issues, and there should not be any interpretation of this as a gay issue. I know nothing about Joey Dauben's sexual orientation. I used to write for the Dallas Voice, and that is why they published the stories about Joey Dauben. Since then, I have retired. That is why Dallas Voice no longer publishes those stories. I have always assumed him to be straight. My greatest interest in Joey Dauben's case relates to his work. I think the criminal prosecution of someone for a blog post, rather than civil libel action, is extraordinary and ought to be monitored by anyone who posts blogs. I'm not sure where all this may be leading in regard to court action involving journalists. I have already been subpoaened once in regard to the Navarro County case because I wrote about a plea bargain that was offered in this case. Joey Dauben is well aware that I disagreed with his reporting practices, but I'm not sure it amounted to the commission of a crime under the law that was used. I am concerned about First Amendment issues. I find the Navarro County case to be extraordinary. It's peculiar for an indictment to be returned so many years after a complaint was first raised. Regardless of how many people despise Joey Dauben, society's best interests are not served if indeed someone is falsely accused, convicted and imprisoned in an effort to suppress free speech.
ReplyDeleteDavid, we joke around about Joey and his sexual orientation but if you go by my first statement abve, I'm sorry, it was meant as a joke completely, not to offend. I think you are a very credible journalist, have no beef with anything about you. I'm equally thankful Romney didn't get in, I seen enough hatred against LGBT's.
ReplyDeleteIf you think for a second Joey is any journalist, you are mistaken. There is no 'shield' laws. AND David, it is not ok and never will be ok for any journalist or blogger to write death threats towards the person they wrote about. There's no question Joey was guilty. I'm not sure how it's been okay with you regarding Joey's work when he actually creates youtubes sharpening knives and threatens to cut off an innocent man's 'worm' because his exwife is screaming the man is guilty. Yet looking into every avenue of the case, its clear the guy was cleared time and again. Joey was out of control, way out of control and maybe you're not aware of all the sick things he did do.
I'm going out on a limb for a second to you questioning why it took so long to bring charges and the timing of it all David. Teens, especially males can be exceedingly ashamed of their sexual encounters, be it exploration with the same sex, etc if they are not outright gay or appear straight to their family and friends. Joey is a grown man, he plays the poor me/ innocent role very well but I also think he had the ability to manipulate this child into a sexual experience aka (RAPE in Texas) possibly using alcohol as well to lower the child's inhibitions.
So how I view this happening is during the seizure of Joey's computers, etc in 2011, the authorities MAY have found some very serious information regarding Joey and this childs relationship. Possibly handing it over to the Texas Rangers to investigate SO IT WOULD remain impartial and unbias. Possibly this child had to be compelled in some way to tell them what happened and MAYBE his statement to authorities 'matched' the evidence on what they found on Joey's computers.
its all speculation. Does that make it a conspiracy? No. Does it make it a crime for authorities to question a young man who WAS a child when allegedly raped? No.
Joey isn't falsely imprisoned at the moment to silence him. He admitted in his own apology letter to the victim (of Ellis) that he would accept legal responsibility for his actions. Then he plead not guilty when push came to shove?
It is in society's best interests if Joey was diddling a young teen for him to go to prison. Rape is illegal period. Even if it wasn't the child that came forward as an adult, that doesn't make Joey any less of a child rapist.
I can see how you want to spin this or like some are concerned it took so long but you must look into true rape victims, especially children and how they behave. It may NOT have been forcible at all but its still rape under the statute. As far as Ellis goes, I cannot see how its far reaching. Joey is actually not known in the real scheme of the journalistic world, because he was a bullying little blogger. That's it. He basically threatened a mans life &/or his families' life and Wilson found the appropriate case law to convict.
Joey deserved what he got, he was and still is out of control. It needs to end somewhere and while I have a lot of emotion towards seeing justice happen for my friends reasons, I also do not and never will believe this is a case of any gov't conspiracy or revenge. Give it another year or so, no one will remember this side-show.
The knife sharpening case was a different person Joey wrote about, not the Ellis victim but Joey did the same to that california man as he did to the Ellis man.
ReplyDeleteYappy: Your first comment in this string was "this is so gay." That is not indicative of an open mind or someone who embraces diversity. I have never said I was ok with Joey's work. In fact I have repeatedly told him and written that I wasn't Ok with it. I'm not spinning anything. I just think that there are a lot of strange elements in this case. I'm not going to convict someone in my mind until I hear all of the evidence.
ReplyDeleteSIgh David... my very first sentence to you is this:
ReplyDeleteDavid, we joke around about Joey and his sexual orientation but if you go by my first statement abve, I’m sorry, it was meant as a joke completely, not to offend
AND if you read my posts on here, I am seriously SARCASTIC. I am not politically correct nor do I believe in being politically correct. IT was a joke. It was a joke meant to 'join in' sarcastically with Presley and Joey conversation. it would be something Presley or her buddy Connie would say.. and have said it. It was a POKE at them. That's how it was meant to be implied.
So now that you have the background to me, you can stand and accuse me of not being sensitive to gays or lesbians or bi-sexuals based on my comment without knowing me and you're entitled to that. I REFUSE to go to any churches in Texas because of this 1 issue. I fought for my cousin to adopt his 3 children with his husband in Canada for 2 years. I was his advocate.
I also put up politically incorrect gay or black or jew or atheist jokes on my facebook and my gay cousin joins in the fun. That's about all I'm going to say on this. Peace David
AND the bottom line on this issue, Joey possibly raped a child. Generally RAPING a child has nothing to do with ones gender at all. Joey was a predator, nothing more. If he's gay or not, it has very little to do with the Navarro case as far as I'm concerned. I've read many times about very straight men rape little boys. rape isn't about one's gender. its about filling a sick need no matter how they can get it.
All of these issues are far to serious to be joking about them. They involve real people and horrific circumstances if they are true. You are hiding behind a pseudonym as you make inflammatory allegations. At least Joey Dauben stood behind his allegations, regardless of how outrageous they may have been. You are as reckless as you accuse him of being. Of course, you are doing it anonymously, which frankly is quite cowardly.
ReplyDeleteActually, I refuse to go to any Texas churches because of their extreme hatred to gays AND their desire to control their followers with nothing but fear. I do not believe in having my children being raised to fear God, any God. period. ever. If you could talk to my children, you'd know they get the speech about acceptance. Stand up and speak out against a person's deeds and actions if you disagree with what they're doing but never a race, religion, color, gender, age, etc.
ReplyDeleteI've never found a normal church down here. The only place close was something called Unity but then they decided to have a 'scammer' called Mary Manin Morrissey try and steal from their people. So I plain gave up seeking any churches in Texas.
It's too bad the State of Texas has shown my children how very intolerant they can be towards others. My very sarcastic son dressed up as Obama and went around asking for votes instead of Candy. Some people were actually hostile to him. How flipping stupid is that?
Back to Joey...... I really find it very stupid that others want to hang a hat on some higher authority 'shutting him up'. This little creep didn't have any power but in his little ole head. There's no grand conspiracy. There's only Joey being Joey. Ok, I'll leave this be.
I really did not and do not want to offend you.
That's fine, I've heard that argument before. SO ITS MUCH better to give my real name and allow some creature like Joey post pics of my kids and tell his 'audience' he HOPES they get raped? That's exactly what he did to a DA in California named Scott Owen and his children and wife.
ReplyDeleteI'm just fine on being very snarky and snippy about Joey as an anonymous. I'm not demanding his head on a platter or for him to be raped. Having my real name will accomplish what David? What? I can't have an opnion unless someone can dig into my life and my kids lives? I've seen enough of the destruction of Joey and what he did to my very dear friends life with the friends REAL NAME and their family. This friend can't sleep for almost 2 years now because of the hell Joey put her through.
I see you would advocate for me or other anonymous people to go through hell or be ripped apart because I or others joke about some freak show nutcase?
It's fine, I'm very happy remaining anonymous thank you. There's nothing I'm doing that comes 1% remotely close in an entire year on Gingers blog... to what Joey did in 1 day.
David, how stupid seriously!!! JOEY STOOD BEHIND HIS ALLEGATIONS?
OH kiss my ass David. IF Joey STOOD behind his allegations he would have plead guilty and TOOK it like a real man. He's a freaking coward. NOTHING in that courtroom this week showed JOEY standing by his allegations. Not one piece.
What a load of bull.
Mr. Webb,
ReplyDeleteDid reading your name in a blog cause you concern that you decided to speak up? I know the feeling.
Maybe someday you should ask some of his younger victims when they become adults what they thought of Dauben's "reporting practices." I fully support the First Amendment Rights but when people such as Dauben, Connie Bedwell, Windsor and his recently adopted daughter use this tactic to validate crazy, psychotic and delusional behavior, then I will exercise my freedom of speech and call them out on it. I only heard of Dauben during the last two months prior to his arrest last December. It was really hard to believe anyone ever took him seriously as a reporter. Reading anything that regards him as a "reporter" or "journalist" is like listening to fingernails across a chalkboard. He isn't a journalist, has no education in journalism but having the ability to Photoshop and create numerous Facebook pages or blogs doesn't make him a "journalist". Dauben is like some kid that probably had his milk money stolen from him on a daily basis through his first five years of high school which resulted in him seeking vengeance against anyone and everyone just so he got the attention that he was missing from home. The problem with the internet is it lets crazies find other crazies much easier. It use to be that someone that "believed they could summons lightning" or believed "they had superpowers" would be isolated to their town where town folks would snicker or shake their head.. Now with the internet, all these people that believe they are journalists like Dauben, or believe they can "summons lightning" or believe "they have superpowers" or are chief activists of cuckooville but love a good piece of pie can find each other daily. The only solace is that people who do have both oars in the water can see the train wrecks these individuals are and stay clear of them. No one should get mad or upset with me as I am just exercising my own Freedom of Speech.
Since certain individuals such as Big Daddy Don Garlits...err I mean David Dauben as well as others have me pegged as "Yappy", Gingersnap can verify that the IP's are completely different by the region they come from. I'm not Yappy. It must have been a proud moment last week when he achieved his weekly wheelie on Wednesday. I wonder what he will do for an encore this Wednesday. I thought I read he had something else going on last week but for the life of me it completely slips my mind what it could have been.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how many times I have to say that I objected to Joey Dauben's reporting practices before you get the message. In fact, the first time I met him was when I contacted him and asked him to meet for lunch so I could tell him that. He obviously had veered off on a reckless course, even though he worked for at least a while as a traditional journalist. I don't understand how the law he was convicted is applicable. Had the charge been intimidation or threats, I would understand. As far as the other charges go, I object to him not being given the doubt of innocent until proven guilty and all of the anti- gay slurs that are being spread by people under pseudonyms.
ReplyDeleteYou had my respect but not anymore. You care so much about Joey and his rights AND speak nothing about the victims in his wake. That's not ok with me Webb at all.
ReplyDeleteI guess you'd rather believe in conspiracy than think maybe the CHILD JOEY RAPED was too ashamed and EMOTIONALLY damaged and afraid to speak up so quite possibly the authorities went to him to see if he actually was raped.
Given the Texas Rangers are the ones who nailed Joey, its a fair shake THEIR EVIDENCE proves he really did rape that kid
But hey, lets release Joey. He needs to make the world a better place (enter Michael Jackson... heal the world lyrics).
I am stunned by the vitriolic statements I've read condemning me. If you don't believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, we have nothing to talk about. Don't think I'll be on your side just because you are gay- friendly or gay. I advocate for the truth, wherever that leads.
ReplyDeleteBy the way if this is Shane Crowe, I think you should stick around. You're being lambasted on the internet but I'm sure you already knew that.
ReplyDeleteSICK FREAKS LIKE JOEY who actually never met you or your child in person nor seek out any evidence to the other side ARE FINALLY being held accountable.
Its taken a long time for the laws to catch up with the internet but I think we're all finally starting to see a bit of results.
Flip, the other day a fake Michael J Fox facebook account was taking in scam money for his parkinsons BECAUSE others believed he was REAL!!!! SO given all that, there's now the FBI involved under the internet fraud unit.
Apparently David see's Joey's incarceration as a threat to his own little world instead of a FINALLY THANK GOD some internet bullies are being dealt with accordingly and being held accountable.
I seriously cannot stand people who voice LOUDLY on convicted criminals when NOTHING AT ALL is mentioned about the victim and the harm done when one is truly innocent.
Speaks volumes eh.
David I DO NOT need you to be on my side at all. I don't YAP for me. I YAP because of the horror I've seen my real life friend go through. You'd think what she lived through in her own background and being a victim would have been her worst nightmare but nooooooooooo she labels JOEY her LIFES worst nightmare. JOEY. NOT her own life and what happened in her world but JOEY!
ReplyDeleteDavid I'd rather you stand by your statements and discuss what I'm questioning you on directly and not spin it or divert.
Not once have I seen you ask about victims of Joey's. That's about all I need to ASSSSume about you right?! Right.
Cripes you can't even see how I'm making a point while playing a Joey character, you take personal offense which shows...........
point proven. You get emotional by MY WORDS on Gingers blog instead of remaining unbias and GET THE STORY WITH ALL Sides of the issue.
Why get emotional David if all I said about you are lies which I admit to? Why? Why not use your apparent educational background to ask calmly some very logical questions so you too could write both sides of Joey's story?
You already made your mind up and you do not care to give Joey's victims a voice. Its rather too bad because my friend is actually quite 'um' let me say famous for reasons she'd rather never be famous for. ever. there's no one in her world willing to join HER club. not a chance in hell.
but the story is the big ole bad gov't against sweet ole Joey and his right to freedom of speech.
I JUST PROVED what a jerk you are David. If you were this unbias great journalist, you'd take emotion out of the equation and seek facts to WHY YAPPY could actually be so emotional and passionate to see justice against Joey.
Have it your way David. You want to view me because of my TINY little gay statement above rather than have genuine concern for why I could be this emotional. Maybe just maybe I'm doing this because my friend is unable to have a voice online so this is my way of being the best friend she needs.
One more thing..........
ReplyDelete"innocent before proven guilty."
JOEY WAS FOUND GUILTY. GUILTY!!! HE WAS FOUND GUILTY in Ellis. Deal with it.
what part of that don't YOU understand. Seriously David are you DRUNK? Even Brannon is 1000% smarter than you after 2 dozen Buds.
YOU are so vocal for Joey but come across as very harsh towards his victims. WOW that's just plain ......well...... sick.
Thank you for your criticism. It's always good to know how what I'm saying is being interpreted. Obviously, I'm not doing so well here, but I assure you I have an open mind. I do hope the facts prove that Joey Dauben did not commit that crime. I always hope the best for all people.
ReplyDeleteYappy: no I am not drunk. I was referring to the next trial. There really is no need to become so hostile. Do you have issues with aggression?
ReplyDeleteI think you are nuts, but by all means criticize me all you want. I'm not worried about getting jailed because I observe standard professional journalism standards. I resent your remark that I must have a sexual attraction to Joey (which you stated in a far more crude manner), but It causes me to think that you tend to be more inclined to sexual responses to people than me. Anyone who reads my stories will see that they are balanced.
ReplyDeleteDamn, I go to bed and wake up to world war III in here.
ReplyDeleteOk first, for the idiots that can't figure this out: Shane's IP address traces to Califorinia near the Sacramento area and yappy's IP traces to northern virginia. You really can't get much more geographically apart and still be in the US. But then again it was only stupid people that were making this argument in the first place.
Now, David. My little satire piece that had Presley saying that your article was a good one is for you to take however you want to. I don't have a problem with your article but I don't think there was a truly un-biased article written on this matter. You have an agenda, and so does the waxahachie and ennis papers. None of them are blatantly biased, its just in how you all choose to report the facts and in what order. The daily light decided to put in Wilon's devastating comments while you put in Presley's. I enjoy reading both sides, but my point in my little satire piece is that your story would be the only one that Joey Dauben would approve of. Its like watching Fox News and MSNBC, you can figure out the truth somewhere in the middle of what both are saying.
Ok, the other stuff. Joey Dauben is to be presumed innocent in a court of law, this isn't a court of law and none of us are serving on his jury. I have said many times I really have no idea if he did it or not but from what I can see, its going to look extremely likely that he did in a court of law. At this point in time, that is all that matters is what its going to look like to a jury. This is an opinion blog, thats all it has ever been and thats all it has ever claimed to be, so right there is an immediate separation from things Joey wrote under the guise of news.
The gay stuff. I have said over and over that I consider Joey to be try-sexual. But the joking usually aimed at him has to do with his double life that he lives. Online, his persona is one that condemns homosexuality as an abomination while clearly his secret life embraces it. I point out how that like everything else in his life is a complete sham.
Now, I'm not gay and I do believe its a sin but I don't get into any of those issues or agendas. I don't care who is with who or if they want to get tax benefits from getting married as a result of it. If someone wants to ask me my personal opinion I will give it but until then I stay way out of that fight. But I did say "don't be gay" in reference to something "Jimmy" a decidedly anti-gay person said. Now what do I mean when I say "gay"? What I mean by that is exactly what you are doing. My definition of "gay" means hypersensitive and overly insulted. You have come on here with the whambulance card already out, taking personal offense to just about everything. This is the character flaw in you that probably has you defending someone like Joey as the word gangs up on him and turns him into an outcast. I realize that being gay and "out" as you are means you have been discriminated against probably most of your life. I can sympathize with that but you have allowed those experiences to tarnish your outlook going forward. You come in here playing the gay victim card automatically. If you were black you could just say we are all racists, declare the game over and you win and move on.
I think that David Webb is looking for some fat hags to go clubbing with.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think you are just posting to stir up trouble. Your opinions do not match the majority of the posters.
ReplyDeletePeople keep saying I'm Yappy along with other people. I guess they believe that repeating a tale over and over will eventually make it true. People make outrageous claims for attention but then when it comes down to it, fail to show up for hearings because someone in Texas who was indicted for truly abusing a child needed support. It is really hard to comprehend the thought processes of these people. I had a hearing the other day with Bedwell in an attempt to stop her antics of seeking attention by posting lies about me. Bedwell is such a fraud and seems to vengeful that she will lie about anyone and everyone. She makes up garbage about me without proof but then turns around and defends her father who was investigated for 36 counts of abuse with 34 counts of sexually abusing children and claims he is falsely accused. I've seen her as well as Windsor's adopted daughter attack the victims in various posts. They have taken my photo in the courtroom that they gave to Dauben. I've seen the attacks on the Placer County DA and it makes my stomach turn. I will never understand how people can be so evil. Her father, Tim Tuma or whatever he went by, he would also come to the hearings in my family law case. It also makes me cringe as to why he was coming to a hearing where false allegations were being made especially when he knew what he did in Alaska. Her father also would take part of confrontations they would have with police officers here that Bedwell would secretly take and then post online.
ReplyDeleteDuring the hearing the other day, my friend said he thought she was taking our picture in the courtroom just as the bailiff was ordering no recordings of any kind to made at the hearing. She was ordered to turn off her phone numerous times during the hearings she has come to watch. I'm guessing she will try to make a new poster about me and her ex. (In September she defiantly testified with pride that she created the poster and distributed it hundreds of times and passed them out. She also claimed to have handed out Dauben's fliers about me. On Friday, she denied ever doing anything of the sort and proclaimed she is innocent of these false allegations.) She is telling her people that I claimed to be in fear for my life because she can summons lightning and have me killed. What I actually said was that she is a delusional nutcase that claims to use bible codes for events in her life, she was diagnosed mentally ill and continuously makes threats by claiming to summons lighting due to some super powers she believes she has. I also said that I fear she will become more and more unstable as she becomes more desperate for attention.
What was Bedwell's defense to doing what she has been doing to her ex, myself and any other father that she accuses of being an abuser? Freedom of speech of course. All of these individuals seem to be highly educated and experienced in constitution law but have the morals and conscience of a slug.
Yeah and here is the thing that still drives me so madly angry I could spit with Shane's deal. Joey made up fliers and with Presley's help she passed them off at the child's school to everyone there dropping off their kids to see and read. The fliers claimed that Shane was a pedophile to his child, the same child that was trying to go to school that day with all her other classmates. I dont give a damn who's side you are on or what you believe, doing that is so unbelievably bad and devastating that poor girl I just can't begin to describe it. If David wanted to do something that would actually make the world a better place, he should start questioning Presley as to what kind of horrific effect her online and public assault on Shane is having on her half sister.
ReplyDeleteInstead, David is the reporter at Al Capone's conviction saying "you know what, that seems to be an overly harsh sentence for just tax evasion". I mean your head is so far deep in the sand and you are so ignorant to how deep and devastating Joey's crimes have been that yes this really isn't going to make much sense you to. You literally have days of non-stop investigation to do to start to see why it is people think of Joey the way they do.
Mr. Webb: I'm so glad you joined us. I appreciate and look forward to everything you write. In reporting about Joey's situation(s), you've left no doubt that your focus is on all of the legal aspects of the cases. I agree with you that all of this should be monitored and reported. And, I'm glad you are the one following the Joey saga - your perspective is needed for balance.
ReplyDeleteI posted a comment about your last article in which I made reference to your affection for Joey. Just to clarify: my use of the word "affection" was not meant in a sexual way. Maybe a better choice would have been for me to refer to the respect you have for your friendship/kinship with Joey. I don't care that you are gay any more than you care that I'm straight. I applaud you for being open and honest about who you are. If you were not honest about who you are, your reporting would not be balanced. It doesn't matter to me whether Joey is gay or bi-sexual. What matters to me is Joey's apparent denial of his inclinations as this is a catalyst for the actions Joey takes to cause others' pain.
With regard to posting anonymously: I do not post under my name to protect people I'm close to that have been hurt by Joey. The stories about my people have been posted elsewhere on this blog. The slander Joey posted about my people is still available on the internet. I have not posted my name so that those stories will not be googled and re-hashed, I don't want to be the cause of further injury to people I love. If who I am or might be is important to you, I will be happy to provide you with the information through Gingersnap.
I'm also glad S C joined us. I ditto everything S C said.
Sorry, I forgot to mention: I agree with Gingersnap, your last article was biased.
ReplyDeleteyeah and thats the other issue we need to discuss. The precedent idea. But here is the thing, we live in a new world, the internet age. The major damage that Joey's crimes have is in terms of the internet and its lasting effect. Even just 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been such a big deal. So let me just play Joey against you for an example:
ReplyDeleteYou piss me off because of something you say or do or whatever and I decided to go after you on my blog. Now, I dont just call you names or whatever, I go much deeper. I point out that someone is wanted for arson that drives the same kind of truck as you do, and I go ahead and put the two together. I call you an arsonist and write blog stories about that fact. In fact, I write so many of these stories that when someone types your name into google "arsonist" is how it is filled in auto fill. When you apply for a new job, you have to answer these questions. When you date someone, you have to answer these questions. I just destroyed your reputation just by being a vigilante on the internet. The question shouldn't be how can they do this to Joey, but what kind of a world will we live in if they dont? I hope they continue to set new precedents in prosecution for people who slander people on the internet. Because, if they dont, this world is going to be a dark and scary place filled with anarchy.
The story was balanced. I included the prosecution's assessment to the jury about the impact on the victim, the concerns about Joey's unprofessional style and the prosecution's appeal.for stiff punishment. It goes without saying the prosecutor was pleased with the outcome. I interviewed Presley to get a reaction from the defedant's side there is nothing unusual about that. I have wondered why that particular law was used, and I can't recall ever hearing about someone being criminally prosecuted for publishing a story. But that was not in my report. It is a matter of personal curiosity, and I do wonder where it could lead.
ReplyDeleteI guess I thought the story was more sympathetic towards Joey and Presley than I can appreciate. You mentioned the Combine arrest in such a way as to give credence to Joey's claim of false arrest. Based on what I've learned about the events that led to charges and what I know about civil suits, it appears the police had probable cause to arrest Joey and the City settled the suit as a nuisance claim because they could settle for less than what it would cost to defend the police action.
ReplyDeleteAs regards the 1st Amendment; we all appreciate this feature of the Constitution and want to protect this right. However, Joey crossed the line many, many times in cases that qualified for damages in civil suits. Most of his victims, either a) saw Joey as no more irritating a pimple on their behinds and chose to ignore him or, b) knew it was pointless to sue him. When Joey made the choices to incite violence against his targets, in my mind he clearly stepped out of the realm of civil law, right smack dab where he ended up - in criminal court. I don't believe the 1st Amendment gives the Joey the right to post his wish for his targets (which were chosen only in the interest of his ego driven agenda) to be physically harmed.
When it comes to Presley, I initially saw her as a silly little girl. I was sympathetic because I thought it likely that she had been manipulated by Joey and her crew in CA. As we've gotten to know her a little better, I lost patience with her because she's old enough and smart enough to know she needs to make better choices. She has no more idea than the rest of us whether Joey is guilty of the Navarro charges. She thinks Joey is innocent only because Joey says so and she wants to believe in something and/or a romantic notion. She's talking about starting a family with a potential child molester??? I can understand her support of Joey. I can't understand why she's planning a future with kids, out loud and in public, when she's clueless by choice about what Joey may have done. No matter how loud Joey et al yells conspiracy, the Navarro charges are very serious and have absolutely nothing to do with the 1st amendment.
Her grandfather is turning over in his grave. What 20 year old acts like this? Her mother Brita claims to be so righteous while behind closed doors she has been on a twenty year project of wanting her daughter to hate me. I moved to California to maintain the close bond with her despite the fact I knew Brita would covertly try to undermine my relationship with Windsor's recently adopted daughter. I would drive 125 miles to pick her up for the weekend and if I arrived five minutes early, Brita would scream threats of having me arrested for trespassing. Last year Brita would go on radio shows of Barbara Farris's with Presley and in front of her two adopted children from China would discuss allegations of sexual abuse against me. You can hear the child in the background on the program.
ReplyDeleteWhen she was little, Brita would work on convincing Presley that whomever she was dating at the time was going to be her new dad. In 1998 I was contacted by Presley's teacher in Salt Lake City. She was concerned that Brita and her husband Mike Craven were working on trying to undermine Presley's relationship with me and had a heart to heart with them. Their response was to deny everything and claim they are trying to ensure that her relationship with me remained strong. In the meantime they planned on moving to California. When Presley asked if that meant she was moving back to South Dakota to live closer to her dad they said yes. When she realized it was a lie, she became so distraught she would spend her day at school sobbing the entire day. The teacher attempted to get through to then in the mastering she had but that only turned then against her. She finally called me to tell me her concerns. I left immediately from northeastern South Dakota, picked my dad up seven hours later and drove ask night to the school. When my dad and i arrived, Presley was at her desk sobbing. I walked up and whispered in her ear "daddy is hear and everything is going to be ok". She jumped up into my arms, buried her face in my chest crying. It was because of that moment I promised Presley i would move to wherever she was so that I would be there for her. I moved to California the following year. I would have never believed that the little girl that cried for me that day would turn into this person today. The venom she has is really hard to comprehend but when a parent makes such destruction a priority in a child's life, i guess it is expected. Mix in the crazies she seeks to get attention from, she only goes farther down the abyss of self destruction.
At the risk of yet more public vilification from members of this site, how is it that Fred Phelps of Westboro Babtist Church and his family can demonstrate at funerals of military personnel killed in battle and carry signs that read, "death to homosexuals" and be protected under the First Amendment? What Joey wrote was flat wrong, but he retracted it and issued a public apology. White Supremacists of all varieties incite violence, and are subject to only civil lawsuits. But Joey got criminal prosecution, and the same may be coming to others who spout off on blogs. I'm interested in the bigger picture here. This is not about Joey.
ReplyDeleteI think the answer to that question lies in the difference between general verse specific. Westboro is holding up signs saying death to homosexuals, thats general. Liberals at some rally may be carrying signs that say republican’s are evil. We may not like it but thats protected speech. But what Joey was doing is holding up a sign that says "David Webb is a pedophile and someone needs to end his life to save this child". That is extremely specific and slanderous.
ReplyDeleteWould you please clarify right now that I have never been accused of pedophilia?
ReplyDeleteyou have never been accused of pedophilia.
ReplyDeleteyou see how powerful and wide ranging the very hint of that kind of allegation is?
Yes, I do, and you should have thought of that before you wrote it.
ReplyDeletePersonally Mr. Webb, I think any group that incites hatred and violence against other groups of people just because they are different ought to be exempt from protection under the 1st Amendment. In my opinion, Mr. Phelps does not exhibit a Christian like attitude. See Yappy's discussion on church experience above, I steer clear of organized religion for the same reasons. Some organized religions/churches have evolved into something that has nothing to do with spirituality, God or Jesus' teachings of tolerance.
ReplyDeleteThe difference in my mind between Joey and Mr. Phelps' group, is that Mr. Phelps is expressing his opinion about gay people in general and he's entitled to his opinion. He is free to express his opinion and we are free to disagree. They aren't singling out one specific gay person and calling for someone to put a bullet in his/her head. And, we now have laws against hate crimes. If someone in or because of Mr. Phelps' group decides to kill or hurt a gay person, as I understand the law, the charge would be aggravated and the penalty much more severe.
Joey's retraction and apology are worthless, he can't un-ring the bell. Besides, if not for the phone call he got from his attorney friend, there wouldn't have been an apology. As OReader pointed out recently, Joey has unfairly targeted and slandered specific people for his own selfish gain, under the guise of "reporting" and 1st amendment protection, over and over again. This was not an honest journalistic error, this was SOP. Joey wasn't posting a general opinion about child molesters, he posted specific lies about a specific man and kept the fire going until the attorney called him. Technology and methods of communication are moving faster than the laws can keep up. I agree the charges against Joey are in a gray area. But Joey is a cyber-bully and I applaud Patrick Wilson for doing something to deter Joey's behavior.
I think that anybody that "spouts off on blogs" as Joey did should be subject to criminal prosecution. What if Mr. Buchert had been hurt or killed because of Joey's posts? If that had been the case, do you think Joey should be prosecuted for his contribution to Mr. Buchert's injury or demise? Would your concern with the bigger picture be different if Joey had taken a disliking to you, posted your home address, your work address, your phone numbers, your car tag number and said somebody should shoot you?
I don't think professional journalists are in danger of criminal prosecution because they adhere to a certain standard of ethics. You've managed to report honestly on events and express your opinion without attacking anybody. Bloggers should be held to a similar standard.
Thats why I made it overly clear that it was a hypothetical of what Joey does. So why would someone as super sensitive as you be willing to defend Joey, in any way shape or form, for doing exactly what my hypothetical was? I mean yes, I realize you, like Joey, admit it was wrong but you dont seem to think it should be a felony.
ReplyDeleteAnd you have repeated the Joey mantra of how this should be a civil case not a criminal case. But thats where this becomes a special case because it is Joey. We are talking about someone that has one beat up car to his name and negative 11 cents in the bank plus hundreds of thousands of dollars in civil judgments againts him already. In another of words, he is insulated from civil action because he nothing nor even the hint of a chance of every gaining anything to make it worth anyones time to sue him.
ReplyDeleteI am not super sensitive as regards myself. That's why I have never complained about all of the remarks I've seen over the last few months about my reporting that insinuated Joey must be gay because I took an interest in the case. I frankly don't know who you are because you have represented yourself to me as both a woman and a man on different occasions. There is nothing forthright about this website. Before people can be legitimately prosecuted criminally for their words, there is going to have to be a lot of changes to the criminal code.
ReplyDeleteActually David Webb, I can enlighten you as to why this was a criminal charge:
ReplyDeleteIdentifying information was utilized. It incited threats and violence towards another.
This is just like the 2009 arrest. Dauben gets law enforcement information, and then in turn, talks about putting bullets in a Detective's head, how he'd end up face first in the Hudson River if he were there, etcetera etcetera.
Not to mention Dauben is no journalist. And from all appearances, neither are you.
Yes you are super sensitive. You have objected to or taken insult at least 8 times on here in less that 24 hours. That qualifies in my book. I dont know what you are talking about in terms of "joey must be gay because I took an interest in the case" thing. I don't think anyone has ever made that claim. I did, at one point, make a post pointing out that the Dallas Voice was the only news outlet that was covering Joey. The irony of that is just too hilarious to miss, but no I was not saying that Joey was gay because of that.
ReplyDeleteAnd I have never ever ever represented myself as a female. But yes you dont know me.
ReplyDeleteWell, I have a degree in journalism from the University of Texas at Austin. I've written for The Dallas Morning News, The Dallas Times Herald, D Magazine, The Dallas,s Observer and The Dallas Voice. Not to mention national publications, including the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report. In fact, I spent an hour on the phone tonight with the president of SPLC, Richard Cohen, who advised me to tell Joey's lawyer to call the ACLU. I have already relayed that advice to the appropriate person.
ReplyDeleteI feel your pain. I will tell you that my child went off the deep end at 19, to a large degree because of what was missing from the other parent. I was scared to death of the choices made and felt as though I'd failed terribly. Then I decided to take a lesson from the Amish; set them free from the restrictions and standards of their up bringing and your beliefs. They are likely to come back to what they know and when they do, they'll chose to live by those restrictions and standards. My kid came back, it took about 3 years. I can lose patience with Presley because she's not my kid. You have to be quiet and wait for her to figure it out. Grit your teeth and bite your tongue, they have to make mistakes if they are going to learn. Just pray the mistakes are reversible. I stick with my earlier prediction, Presley is smarter than Joey - she'll be done with him within 2 years. I think she's smart enough to out grow Connie's drama too.
ReplyDeleteUm there's not a hope in hell the ACLU will help a man and ooo a white man facing child molestation charges. Not going to happen. I've heard that suggestion before, you're going to be very dismayed to the lack of excitement from their end. Just like Billy Windsor won't even utter Joey's name, the ACLU will run far and fast from this one.
ReplyDeleteThere's NO case to make with them, there's no civil liberties to fight for. Joey IS convicted rightly so with the appropriate statute. How ridiculous can this get?
There's nothing more ridiculous than a man calling himself GingerSnap rather than identifying his real identity or a man posting comments under two different names. All of you are really weird. I haven't read half of the crap you've written, dumb asses.
ReplyDeletesee now you have just admitted to an active role in Joey's defense, and thats fine I'm not going to jump you for that but simply to say that you do have an agenda in this and it does show in your articles.
ReplyDeleteWhat other name have I posted comments under? You dont read half this stuff but then again you whine about things posted months ago that you misunderstood in the first place?
ReplyDeleteNo, GingerSnap, Justin or whomever you are, I was getting information because I really was puzzled by all of it. My call to the Dauben side was to ask if they were considering such action. I explained that my reason for asking had to do with my interview of someone. That's a matter of courtesy. I have no idea whether they will follow through on that or not.
ReplyDeletePartial quote from Webb.... Before people can be legitimately prosecuted criminally for their words, there is going to have to be a lot of changes to the criminal code.
ReplyDeleteFor their words? Oh, so lets just all say and do whatever the hell we feel and who gives a rats ass who gets hurt no matter big or small. It should be my right to spend day and night creating lies on the internet just because I'm in the mood to do so?
Joey wrote hate-filled rants that included stating SOMEONE WILL DIE regarding the Ellis county victim. Joey wrote his name, birthdate, address, etc along with the worst possible FALSE allegations against a father... that he was a child molester when none of it was true. He wrote that without any evidence to support it. No facts, no prior or current arrests or charges for child molestation. He wrote it solely based on the words of a revenge-filled hateful woman / ex-wife. That shit goes on all the time in the court rooms. Joey wrote against other men that were long investigated AND cleared yet Joey WAS right no matter what. He didn't care about journalistic integrity. This is NO fight for any freedom of speech or journalistic shield. This little prick didn't have a degree in journalism. He was a little blogger, nothing more.
Furthermore Joey admitted what he did AND stated clearly he would accept ALL legal responsibility. Now you're pissed that Wilson had the nerve, the gall, the audacity to find the law that would nail Joey legally? How dare a DA do his job and protect INNOCENT people.
You are so barking up the wrong tree if you think you can hang your freedom of speech 1st Amendment right hat on this case.
Its one thing for a journalist to stick his or her neck out to uncover true corruption or crime all the while protecting their sources 'under the sheild'. Its a WHOLE other thing to go after a regular innocent father trying to raise his kids only to be lucky enough to have married a bi-polar bubble-head who's hate for her ex far exceeds the love for her kids. For a woman to spew her exhusband molested their children when its not true is WORSE than the allegation itself. I hope in the Ellis case, the judge tosses in her jail for a very long time. But that doesn't leave Joey off the hook. He did not do 'due diligence' at all. He had the hots for this ex and was a drooling fool. He also had the hots for Connie but eventually took Presley as a runner up prize since Connie showed zero interest.
There was no integrity in what Joey did.
Shake my head. Webb you do not come across as unbias or balanced at all. I STILL have yet to see you ask about the victim(s)/ my friend nor do I see you speaking with Crowe either. You DO NOT care about both sides. you have a clear agenda but this is the wrong case to base it on.
And back to the original statement? YES people should be held accountable for their words because it does affect real life people, especially children. Should Joey get out one day, there should never ever be a time where its ok for him to return to his bullshit ways. I truly believe you do not give a shit about the real victims Joey created. You enjoy playing Ostrich instead of getting to the bottom of what Joey truly was about. Wow
Yeah I can see how it would happen, I'm just pointing out that you are now taking a role in how they may proceed with their defense. I dont have the journalist degree you have, I admit that but I don't remember it being standard practice for a journalist in a criminal case to be relaying tips that he picks up in his investigation on to the accused.
ReplyDeleteLMAO So Ginger is a man named Justin? O freakshow, go away... it's so clear you're drinking from the Joey koolaid. So what are you thinking now? That yappy is also ginger? Okidokiiieeee off you go and don't forget to take your legos with you.
ReplyDeleteSuch a credible journalist. Calling ginger "justin' just because David Dauben or Joey 'said so'. NOT because Webb actually KNOWS or has proof who Ginger is, he's going on someone's words alone so therefore MUST be true.
LMAO WOW and you call me a nut??? hehehehehe
There is another person posting under more than one name on this website, according to a source who would know. I've had people telling me for months that remarks were being made about a link between Joey and me. I rarely bothered to look. I'm not sure why I logged on last night, but I regret it.
ReplyDelete"According to a source" who would know?
ReplyDeleteAgain, seriously funny. A riot. The only person that 'knows' who's writing on this blog is Ginger, the creator. No one else.
Now I know who I am, Crowe knows who he is, and ginger and NBTDT and Oreader and and and... but David was 'told' by someone else so therefore its fact?
REALLY TRULY the only ones that can truly laugh our asses off at you are all of us individuals that are actually posting on here. You claim you're a journalist but you cannot even see clear grammatical differences on here?
Such an incredible investigative journalist. With someone like you on Joey's case, none of Joey's victims have a thing to worry about. What a whiny little old man you are Webb. Drinking from the Dauben KOOKaid.
OMG, you mean to tell me that someone on here has been posting under more than one name? Oh I think I"m going to be sick. Thats it, I'm going to have to shut this blog down. I had no idea that kind of action was going on.
ReplyDeleteOk, sarcasm aside, yes there are several on here that use many different names, I'm not one of them. But I dont care who you are, its what you say that counts on here. I'm gonna give you a street journalism 101 lesson: when you don't know what the hell you are talking about, don't say it.
I don't read Yappy. It's too much bullshit. But Gingerale, it's common practice to ask someone if they would consider contacting a legal organization based on another legal organization's assessment. It's for the story that I may eventually write. That doesn't make me an active part of Joey's defense team.
ReplyDeleteThat's interesting - I can't wait to see how involved the ACLU gets in this mess. "Fighting words" are not protected under the 1st Amendment. Joey made terroristic threats. How were Joey's civil liberties violated? Joey's posts were subject to civil and criminal complaint. How does Joey's right to free speech supersede the rights of his targets to live terror free?
ReplyDeletebut then again, maybe we are all in a big misunderstaning here. You call your blog the rare reporter and I certianly can't think of anything more rare than trying to continue to fight for Joey's right slander other people.
ReplyDeleteThe ranges of your prejudice are incredible. Yappy's last post was short so I read it. "Whiny little old man"? How do people younger than you refer to you, especially your children?
ReplyDeleteNo, but it means you are drinking the Dauben Kool aide and buying into the conspiracy theory. If you were to read some of this crap, objectively, you would realize most of us are different people that just have pretty much the same opinions, one of which is that Joey is delusional. And you are starting to show signs of the disease........
ReplyDeleteThe ACLU is not going to defend Joey on any charge- much less the Fraudulent Use of Identifying Information.
ReplyDeleteIt has been proven by his own words he is not a journalist. And having a degree does not make you a journalist. You have to know how to apply it. Looks pretty biased to me. The only outlet that got Joey coverage was ones affiliated with you.
Now there is calls for the ACLU.
This is not first ammendment issues. There is a differentiation between protected free speech and a criminal act. The criminal act is identified in (b). Joey called for harm to the victim, the alleged offender (who was not an offender) just has he has done to police officers and others whom he has posted their information online in the past.
§ 32.51. FRAUDULENT USE OR POSSESSION OF IDENTIFYING
INFORMATION. (a) In this section:
(1) "Identifying information" means information that
alone or in conjunction with other information identifies an
individual, including an individual's:
(A) name, social security number, date of birth,
and government-issued identification number;
(B) unique biometric data, including the
individual's fingerprint, voice print, and retina or iris image;
(C) unique electronic identification number,
address, and routing code, financial institution account number;
and
(D) telecommunication identifying information or
access device.
(2) "Telecommunication access device" means a card,
plate, code, account number, personal identification number,
electronic serial number, mobile identification number, or other
telecommunications service, equipment, or instrument identifier or
means of account access that alone or in conjunction with another
telecommunication access device may be used to:
(A) obtain money, goods, services, or other thing
of value; or
(B) initiate a transfer of funds other than a
transfer originated solely by paper instrument.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person obtains,
possesses, transfers, or uses identifying information of another
person without the other person's consent and with intent to harm or
defraud another.
(c) An offense under this section is a state jail felony
@nothing: I assure you I am not delusional, but I sure am tired of all this.
ReplyDelete@Hoskins or (lol) "And having a degree does not make you a journalist. You have to know how to apply it. Looks pretty biased to me." so because you say David is biased, he is not a journalist, and yet Foxnews and CNN are biased, so they apparently are not actual news outlets?
ReplyDelete@ LOL: thanks for that post. I take back my earlier comment that the law Joey was charged with breaking is a gray area. It's clear as day, there it is in black and white:
ReplyDelete(b) A person commits an offense if the person obtains,
possesses, transfers, or uses identifying information of another
person without the other person’s consent and with intent to harm or
defraud another.
Wait, I might be thanking myself. LOL are you really NBTDT?
OReader is missing from all this fun. Maybe LOL is really OReader.
Maybe Yappy is S C, LOL, OReader and NBTDT.
Could be that Gingerale (sorry, that is funny) is making all of us up.
Whatever, I'm getting punchy, going to bed now.....
Sorry, but your comments reeked of Joey's influence..........
ReplyDeleteaww I'm heartbroken David doesn't read yappy's yapppy yappy posts. lol
ReplyDeleteMy kids generally call me mom. Two say mama, one calls me Grizzy (mama bear thing and all) the other just calls me when they need a ride to their friends house.
Its too bad you don't read my posts, there's a tiny bit of shit in each that actually makes sense. you see, I have actually raised successful children all whom work since they were about age 13. They volunteer, have more than 1 hour of chores each day, have a part-time job, their regular sports activities and in our house, they also have consequences for their actions. They learn something called integrity and accountability. They also learn that they have the right to speak up and speak out against freaks like Joey Dauben who's never accomplished 1 thing in his 31 years but endless heartache.
You see David, they (my kids) also INTIMATELY know one of Joey's victims (my dear friend) and have seen her wither away in our own home because of what this psychopath has done to her life. Devastated by what he spewed online and elsewhere with regards to her OWN very real horror in life. Dauben is a monster and you are not a credible un-bias reporter in the least. You have an agenda and as far as I'm concerned, that agenda seems to have a whole lot to do with your penis, nothing more. But hey that's just MY opinion, don't get your little dick all twisted up in a knot about it. Its my right to freedom of speech after all.
OK. Mr. Webb. I dont know you from Adam. Here is Joey in a nutshell. ANYTHING and I mean anything to frive traffic to his now defunct web site. Joey held himself to be a publisher. He was anything but that. Tabloid journalism with an activist twist. Willing to turn on the very people willing to help him the most.
ReplyDeleteYes there were those that didnt want him around. There were those that would have done anything to shut him up. I even witnessed one action in the Palmer Christian Church. But again Joey's drive for power either through his blog or socalled papers or even his failed attempts at political office should prove his egotism.
His past associations show his desperation. Many protest no results. Dont you think it ironic that one of the many fools who funded Joey ended up being arrested? Margetis paid for his "air time" at the ECO.
Former editors turned on him. The only one he has left from 2011 is the "clown prince" trying to get his name changed.
Joey has been arrested for a criminal offence. He published a photograph of confidential medical documents that could be decyphered through any free online photo enhancement program. He stated the he would not blame "Any one who kill this piece of filth" and this was not the first time Joey did so.
Joey was famous for holding kangaroo courts. His problem was he never had the evidence to convict the kangaroo.
Yes I have made light of Joeys issues. Fact is that he did either through knowing or misunderstanding solicit the murder of an innocent man. not on one but many occasions.
If you do not believe me then just go look at what Ellis County has seized from the ECO web site as well as Joey's personal computers. Since they were used as evidence at his trial they are now part of a public record. A public Information Release can still be obtained at www.elliscountyo2.wordpress.com just incase you cant remember what one looks like.
Do I believe Joey to be guilty of the Navarro County charges? No. Do I believe him guilty of the Ellis County charges? YES!
If Mr. Crowe filled a charge related to but not the same as the one Joey was convicted of in Ellis County I would not blame him. After all "lightning bolts" directed at someones skull are a for of cyber bullying and repeating the threat of them through several online outlets is concidered stalking under Texas law.
Lets see the ACLU get involved here in this case with this history:
ReplyDelete"Dauben’s internet radio programs discussed Susan’s allegations extensively and during numerous programs, Dauben stated death threats against Shane and also incited others to “take the law into their own hands” and hurt or kill Shane. Dauben created flyers that were posted online that used Minor Child’s photograph, her location, her age, and the school she attends. Dauben encouraged others to print copies of the flyers and distribute at Minor Child’s school. The flyers were distributed at Minor Child’s school.”"
Putting bullets in cops heads, calling for the rape of women... I can go on for a long time.
Funny. End the end, Dauben was "done" himself. Not one "alleged" child molester, murderer, or corrupt police officer, district attorney or judge. Not one corrupt school district or other government offical. Just Joseph Glen Dauben. The one who yelled the loudest was the guilty sole the whole time.
Sad thing, is that his 80 year old grandmother whom he was mooching off of and living in her house that fell and broke her hip in November probably won't be alive to see Joey get out of prison and make something of himself. He had 15-20 years of his life to do that and screwed that up....
Ginger feel free to edit my previous post. The time of night here has me groggy.
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